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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Feb 15, 2011 8:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An interesting 'what if' (very Dead)

We had a little discussion about this a few years ago.

More recently there was a post that had an interview with a photographer who was taking pictures of the band back then and at one point he discusses bringing Pigpen around in early '73 and apparently no one in the band wanted to even come outside and say hello at that point. Sounds like they moved on and weren't going to look back.

I still contend that after a fall tour without Pig where they started to really stretch out songs other than Dark Star and TOO (listen to those NFA jams!!), and with the addition of the new fall '71 material followed by the WOTF material, there was little room for Pigpen musically. Maybe those October and November '71 shows without Pigpen was the start of that as many of his songs were like King Bee and Alligator did not return when he rejoined the band.

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Poster: portmcgroin Date: Feb 15, 2011 10:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An interesting 'what if' (very Dead)

Heres the other thread
I feel he would have always had a place in the band if his health was fine. They were kicked out of the band in 68. Pigpen got kicked out due to him staying close to the blues and the rest of the band exploring the more psychedelic thing. But if you look at it that way what about all his contributions from 69-72. The dead always had that got to get back on the ground, enough space travel lets bring Pig out time in the show. Later that gap got fixed with the americana, cowboy tunes, balads etc.. If his health was fine and in the studio with the band he would have grown with them. But not being there further alienated him and not playing probably made his organ playing regress. For example if he sang Let Me Sing Your Blues Away instead of Keith it might have been in the top 40 for 1973.